tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5503527552780177173.post4410379586017810645..comments2023-08-12T06:16:48.262-04:00Comments on Hailing from Georgia: Patriotism - What's the Point?Jeremy Jansonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03218395232783877050noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5503527552780177173.post-26936380480327556562009-11-18T14:22:17.727-05:002009-11-18T14:22:17.727-05:00Good question. This is when it becomes useful to t...Good question. This is when it becomes useful to turn to a Platonic idea expounded upon by, among others, Saint Paul and Saint Augustine. People have two kinds of thoughts, the thoughts of the mind, and the thoughts of the soul. A persons soul is their basic essence, the things they love, the things they see on the most basic level, their experiences. A persons mind is somewhat detached from them, and is their manipulatable, dynamic, learning side that creates, amuses, can see past themselves and their experiences while still having access to these, and is both more playful and more inevitably changing.<br /><br />I agree with you absolutely that a persons patriotism is their loyalty to a people, rather then a place, and in fact countries do change their borders. In fact, a really interesting study on this is the New Testament Kingdom of Heaven, described by Paul and prophecies as "a nation which is not a nation" (Romans 8) that consists entirely of ideas and the ruler ship of The Lord, rather then any particular place. But just because you cannot really be loyal to the opinions of the mind, does not mean you cannot be loyal to the more definitive and unchanging and characterizing opinions of the Soul of America or whatever other country in which you reside.Jeremy Jansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218395232783877050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5503527552780177173.post-65655416234629011112009-11-16T17:59:39.810-05:002009-11-16T17:59:39.810-05:00I think you're blurring two very different thi...I think you're blurring two very different things. There is a country - the geographical area. Then there are the people in that country. I would argue that you cannot be patriotic to a geographical area as it, in itself, is worthless without its PEOPLE. It's PEOPLE are what makes a country something special. I would argue that you can only be patriotic to your fellow men and women and therefore your patriotism is wholly dependent on your fellow citizens' opinions. This therefore, in a very round about way apparently, makes patriotism pointless because people's opinions change constantly and there are MANY OPINIONS within a country - how could you be patriotic to all of them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5503527552780177173.post-40528095963263073572009-10-07T02:55:06.979-04:002009-10-07T02:55:06.979-04:00Hey Alexei, great to see you stopping by!
I think...Hey Alexei, great to see you stopping by!<br /><br />I think what Ambrose Bierce said about Patriotism can be said about anything people find valuable and important, form religion to family values to "freedom" to "progress" to you name it. The difference between the scoundrel and the believer, of course, is two-fold: first, genuine intent, which is obvious, and second, humility, the humility to see that this can only go so far.<br /><br />Humility does not, however, condone complacency, it merely recognizes that all things can only go so far. Belief can still be very vehement, but there's a decency to it. See, you don't assume it is so great that it can't possibly be wrong. Instead of "My Country Right or Wrong", "I always love my country, but I do know that even America can be wrong." As you can see in the posts below, I have no problem pointing out where America's gone seriously wrong, from "Cowboys and Indiankillers" (Redneck Section) to "The Flaw of Small Ambitions - Obama and Afghanistan."<br /><br />Still, this quote has survived as long as it has for good reason, and that good reason is that it does, indeed, carry a very important and sometimes ignored meaning. The fact that America can and should stand for something is not really disproven by this meaning, just put in perspective.Jeremy Jansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218395232783877050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5503527552780177173.post-32239340939901738472009-10-06T23:32:54.801-04:002009-10-06T23:32:54.801-04:00Food for thought.
Ambrose Bierce said: "In Dr...Food for thought.<br />Ambrose Bierce said: "In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first."<br /><br />More: "Patriotism is fierce as a fever, pitiless as the grave, blind as a stone, and as irrational as a headless hen."Alexei Zoubovhttp://alexeiz.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5503527552780177173.post-28113692345006586112009-10-06T18:25:08.671-04:002009-10-06T18:25:08.671-04:00It may seem like a trifle but, what, exactly is a ...It may seem like a trifle but, what, exactly is a liberal. No I'm not trying to play semantics here even if it does come off that way, but there are Conservative Democrats, there are Populist Democrats, Trade Unionist Democrats, there are Socialist Democrats and there are even some Liberal Republicans. Sure, overall the Democrats are the liberal party overall but there are certainly other influences.<br /><br />In my mind, I consider liberalism a philosophy. Not every liberal may subscribe to every element of liberal philosophy, just as I don't describe to every element of Conservative (especially social conservatism and lack of consumer protection), Populism (especially social conservatism and mob rule), or Libertarianism (consumer protection and local city planning), but I would overall call myself these things.<br /><br />I apologize that I made it sound like every liberal falls in to this category, there may have been some anger there and I will confess it. But I think as a symbol or personification of the liberal philosophy proper, as supposed to socialism, trade unionism, environmentalism, left populism, et cetera, there is still meaning there.Jeremy Jansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218395232783877050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5503527552780177173.post-52947993973820201332009-10-05T22:16:43.282-04:002009-10-05T22:16:43.282-04:00Yes, I may be deviating a bit from the general poi...Yes, I may be deviating a bit from the general point of the topic, but it bugs me to no end when people are constantly separated into categories. Either one is liberal or conservative, a brangeloonie or a somethinganiston. Forgive me for the second example! =)<br /><br />Anyway, it seems that people forget that everyone is simply an individual with an opinion. What I normally see occur is one tiny opinion defines a person immediately and they are either friend or foe. It seems impossible to agree with what may be a liberal point of view and a conservative at once. I despise the mentality of separation.<br /><br />The world knows what it needs. Being an American, it's obvious what the country needs, some form of change for the better. The health system for example is utter trash. Corporations take advantage of the people and act according to their own benefit rather than others. While I previously made close to six figures post college and could afford insurance, it was laughable what the options were. I remembering paid what is considered a cheap amount ($300), still had to pay a deductible (which people who pay more have to do anyway so it seems, the amounts just vary). I recall my eye meds Restasis and the insurance only covering $10 of $130. Thanks but no thanks, I could pay for that solo myself and save money wasted on insurance. After all, with all the fine prints and carefully chosen words(pre-existing conditions, etc), who knows what they may actually cover.<br /><br />If everyone could only just work together and stop fighting one another just because they're wearing the opposing label, maybe things could move forward. The people who classify themselves as conservatives that I've read of or seen on tv do appear childish, almost as if they're against anything with the potential of helping people. They seem stubborn and like they only want to make life difficult for others. <br /><br />I don't quite get why people of this nature exist, let alone in politics. <br /><br />Anyway, I may go on for ages on the same thing but I rather not send anyone to sleep just yet. :PjONYXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14348804081443445917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5503527552780177173.post-3905460853570831032009-10-04T10:13:34.201-04:002009-10-04T10:13:34.201-04:00I would be reticent about taking one person's ...I would be reticent about taking one person's opinion about what Liberals are or are not as dogma. I used to believe that Conservatives took proprietary responsibility for fiscal policies. But look at the collapse of financial entities under the former president. It is not that we Liberals are fiscally irresponsible, but we also look toward the needs within our own citizenry in an effort to make America better and stronger. How can we attempt to spread Democracy when the world sees us as a violent nation which does not even take care of its own?<br /><br />One Party is not better than the other. We need a balance and hopefully, that will one day be achieved.Cher Duncombehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00070334939399949702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5503527552780177173.post-50736906508610835192009-09-30T10:16:32.450-04:002009-09-30T10:16:32.450-04:00Very well-said, Jeremy.Very well-said, Jeremy.Michelle Rosalyn Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03719546700710088532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5503527552780177173.post-59008236403377351952009-09-28T10:51:24.151-04:002009-09-28T10:51:24.151-04:00The socialist movement doesn't want us to stan...The socialist movement doesn't want us to stand for anything, because if you don't stand for anything, you will not stand up for anything and therefore they can change America into whatever they want. This is why it is so important for us American's to stand up for our freedoms.FaithfulinPrayerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13821306103398896506noreply@blogger.com